Colorado Cave Survey
May 11, 1998

Old Business
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1. LaSunder
     - No response yet from Paul's letter to Mendoza. Suggested that
       a second letter be sent, and that we carefully document all
       of our attempts.  Wait on going over his head.
     - J. Sherer spoke with Medoza in Dec. 97 and had the impression 
       that he'd prefer that we submit a management plan.
     - Suggestion that we submit a Groaning-style management plan
       (Paul will write it). Limited access, no neophytes, set % of
       work/rec trips.
     - Need to pre-establish a photo-monitoring program to document
       impact. (Cronks?)
     - Limit # trips/year (24 total?) (#/wkend max as well)
     - Max 6 people/trip w/out prior approval.
     - Distribute one key per grotto.
     - Note that Goodbar is the BLM cave specialist (if we need him).

2. WRNF - Cave name list was submitted. No further info.

3. Cave Creek
     - Proposal has been submitted - no more info from Fairplay USFS
     - Fred has some ideas for a gate: 30" culvert with ladder, viz
       Fulford design. Need to have the top out of the wind separation
       streamline to avoid snow ingestion, etc.

4. Groaning
     - USFS will remove the cement plug and install a bat tube.
     - Fish and Wildlife is doing a bat count.
     - Bruce is continuing as waiver contact.

New Business
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1. Meetings
     - Want to rotate location to involve more of the state's cavers.
     - Golden/Longmont/Monument/Sterling

2. Timberline Grotto wants to place contact cards w/ Grotto name and
   phone number, conservation message (at Fulford?). Also wants to 
   place a sign outside the Groaning gate.

Next Meeting:
   Eagle USFS Office  (pending approval of USFS)
   14 August 1998